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If you wanna get mad, here’s a fresh thread everyone’s dunking on

Imagine if our infrastructure wasn’t built for and maintained by profit motive. Imagine if having too much electricity was a good thing. Imagine if literally any system in this failed state was designed to actually be good for the people who relied on it

@FirstProgenitor I hate when my system is working TOO WELL and I can't extort people with it

@FirstProgenitor I think technically speaking too much power really isn't a good thing because the power grid needs to equalize input and output, but that's why we need good storage to balance that out.
It definitely isn't something that benefits from being marketified, blockchained or whatever

@emma @FirstProgenitor that is a really good point, and the article should absolutely have been about that instead of the market implications of plentiful energy

@FirstProgenitor going to heap my fucking gourd at whoever wrote this article

@FirstProgenitor I wanna see the QRT ratio on this, but I'm also fine being a safe distance from it out here

@elfi here’s the ratio, I’m sure as the day progresses it will only get better

@FirstProgenitor @elfi

I'm too jaded by now to imagine that the original article was anything but a conscious effort to wind people up. :/

@FirstProgenitor dang you sure were right about getting mad, I am gonna fucking spontaneously combust, what the actual fuck

(though at the same time I’m very much not surprised, sigh)

@FirstProgenitor There are actually good technical reasons.

Too much electricity at once is a real problem - like, it can fry circuits, so you got to do something. And solar in particular has some implications for energy quality (stability, phase compensation, it is generated as DC while the grid is AC). So at some point, adding more solar is counterproductive. It does little and costs a lot of resources.

But of course they did pick the one reason that is stupid ("prices too low").

@eldaking @FirstProgenitor Honestly now would be a time when it would rule to fix our electrical grid to run on DC tbh. Afaik the transmission problem is mostly solved by now and we have all sorts of terrible energy losses because everything we use is DC powered now.

@ari @FirstProgenitor Not really. We can transmit in DC, but that is high voltage DC (HVDC) and we don't use high voltage in our houses. Stepping up or down DC is massively more difficult.

And not everything is DC powered - every motor (vacuums, fans, blenders and more importantly all power intensive industrial machinery) uses AC and would now need alternators.

I don't know if there would be any gains, but certainly not enough to justify replacing all the infrastructure.

@ari @FirstProgenitor About HVDC, it is only used for very long, uninterrupted power lines - i.e., very few voltage conversions. For distributing to a lot of places, not so good.

The main benefit is using less wire because you don't need three phases and because of skin effect. It can also be used to link between grids of different frequencies, as that would already require a converter anyway.

@ari @FirstProgenitor The idea of having DC outlets in homes and buildings is something that actually intrigues me a lot (haven't really studied it rigorously, though).

But I find it more feasible as a local conversion to DC, replacing all the small power sources, than replacing the grid.

@FirstProgenitor also like, damn if only we had some technology for storing electricity for later use

@FirstProgenitor that doesn't even make sense?? wouldn't that just make everything cheaper which would make solar more desirable

@FirstProgenitor massively oversimplified, but like, you'd have a big battery which ensures you can always deliver power, water dams already do this, lol

@FirstProgenitor though the case of the water dam is easier since they mostly have to deal with some water and power surges as opposed to complete downtime at night. just saying there is technology to buipd on to solve these issues

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